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"Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing." (granfury) 08/26/2020 at 03:40 • Filed to: None

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So much room for disaster here. What on earth were they thinking?

Way to go, Ontario.

Otto-the-Croatian-'Whoops my Volvo is a sedan' > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 08/26/2020 at 05:15

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What is this I don’t even

Urambo Tauro > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 08/26/2020 at 07:47

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On one hand, this isn’t really enough of a violation to justify revoking their driver’s licenses and impounding the cars. But o n the other hand, it’s a pretty clear indication that they should NOT be driving.

valsidalv, reminding you that infiniti is an option > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 08/26/2020 at 08:00

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Way to go, Markham*.

TheRealBicycleBuck > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 08/26/2020 at 08:50

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I just realized that the bus lanes are two-way. That’s about as stupid an implementation as I’ve ever seen. I put that right up there with two-way bike lanes on one side of a street. But worse. In this scenario, you have buses coming at you on the wrong side of the median which is clearly there to separate traffic flow. I wonder if the traffic engineer did this, the contractor did this, or some dumbass planner did this.

I had a conversation with a traffic engineer about an intersection near my house. It turns out that the new, updated design was created by an intern who failed to collect all of the traffic information necessary to properly design the intersection in the first place. Yeah, she got traffic counts. No, she didn’t observe it during the morning and evening rush hours. In other words, she had no idea how traffic really flowed through that intersection at the critical times.

Fortunately, we met during the preliminary design review and I was able to walk her through the problems and how they were exacerbated by the previous attempt to fix it. They listened to what I told them and added the lanes per my suggestions. Now that intersection is a lot easier to navigate. It’s amazing what a little information and a lot of logic will get you.

The intersection you posted is full of design flaws which should have been addressed long before it was implemented. It’s no wonder people are confused about how it’s supposed to work. 

TheRealBicycleBuck > Urambo Tauro 08/26/2020 at 09:00

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I contend that it’s very poorly designed and this kind of driver error is inevitable. I found a rendering of the original concept.

Note the clear separation between the bus lanes and the driving lanes. If it had been built per the concept, then those folks wouldn’t be pointed the wrong way in a bus lane.

Tareim - V8 powered > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 08/26/2020 at 09:25

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They haven’t used Traffic Manager President Edition, vanilla C: S traffic management is stupid

Spanfeller is a twat > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 08/26/2020 at 09:50

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At least protect the bus lane with fins....

Taylor Martin > TheRealBicycleBuck 08/26/2020 at 10:40

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They have this at Disney World, specifically their Disney Springs shopping center. Since Disney Springs is technically off the Disney property, they didn’t get to build big highways that lead to it like they do with all the parks, so the busses would have to deal with tighter public roads.

I was baffled by it, because I’m a stupid American, but it makes sense, and the lanes at Disney were divided by a medium with some nicely trimmed bushes.

That mouse knows his bus lane stuff.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 08/26/2020 at 10:57

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I am horrified and confused by the two way bus lanes in one side of the median but I also don’t understand the dashed marking in the intersection. With such a convoluted interchange every lane should have a dashed lane on both sides through the intersection for the con fusing side.

Urambo Tauro > TheRealBicycleBuck 08/26/2020 at 18:47

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Yeah a curb would be nice, but if people are ignoring such clear lane markings, then I don’t have much faith that they’d let a little curb stop them.

Urambo Tauro > TheRealBicycleBuck 08/26/2020 at 19:01

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Man, I really need to find out how to get a hold of a traffic engineer for my area. I can think of several local intersections and lane drops that are in desperate need of simple changes. Doesn’ t need to be an expensive multi-million dollar overhaul project . Some new signs, t weaks to the road markings, and signal reprogramming could make a big difference in directing traffic more safel y and efficientl y.

TheRealBicycleBuck > Urambo Tauro 08/26/2020 at 20:31

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The engineers are hired by the local government. Start with a call to the local DOT or maintenance department responsible for the roads. It may take some digging to get to the right person.

I was lucky. We had a contract with the local government responsible for the road and were making a presentation on some of our work. The engineer doing the design work for a number of the local intersections was at the same meeting to present their draft designs. 

Urambo Tauro > TheRealBicycleBuck 08/26/2020 at 20:48

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Furthest I’ve ever gotten was one time when I left a message for a guy at the local road commission. I expressed concern regarding the need for tree clearing at a 2-way stop intersecting a 55mph roadway, but apparently he wasn’t very receptive to the idea of being able to see more than 200 feet from the stop sign. I don’t know if “engineer” was part of his official title, but I think I need to find someone higher up.

TheRealBicycleBuck > Urambo Tauro 08/26/2020 at 21:07

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If your town has monthly commission  meetings, you could always get on the agenda to speak to the commission.